Wednesday, February 16, 2005

The ID plan

There is a nice rundown here on the the religious right's plan on getting creationism in our science curriculum.

I've found that those who don't believe in evolution don't have any understanding of what it is. They also really don't understand what science is, or how the scientific method works.

The more you study science, the more sense it makes, and the more you study religion, the less sense it makes.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

No, actually it shows how shallow your thinking is. Evolution, as per, "This is how life came to be" - is a theory, it's never been proven, can't be proven because there is no record of it (and the fossil record makes a mockery of the evolutionary theories). All creationism is, is another theory, it maybe more or less credible in your opinion. The fact that people like you don't even want it discussed shows your fear that it will actually spark thought and possibly debate.

The only time that science makes 'more sense' and religion makes 'less sense' is when you begin to believe that we (humans) is all there is. When you refuse to understand that there are many things that we don't understand (gravity would be a good example, electricity would another) and other things going on (in the universe and beyond) that we have never heard of and or been exposed to.

Sorry, we're not the be all and know all. The basic order of things and the huge odds that would have had to have been overcome for it all to have occurred by 'chance' shows that something beyond 'chance' had to be in play for us to be here. Denial of that is sticking your head in the sand and pretending that we (mankind) are the best and brightest that exists in the universe.

BTW - I chose to comment under anonymous because I refuse to argue with a man who's head is in the sand, they never see anything but more sand.

9:00 AM  
Blogger btezra said...

~I am sorry, allowing a religion dictate the education of youth is a mistake, no matter how good the intentions are...the seperation of church & state must reign supreme, with no opportunity for wiggle room...~

10:14 AM  
Blogger Cori said...

Hmmm.... Electricity is understood.

4:04 PM  
Blogger AxlTac said...

Most in response to anonymous:

Creationism is not another "theory" it is merely dogma that only pushes the question of how we came to exist out of the realm of our possibility of understanding by merely giving the credit to God without any analysis, other than literary analysis of cleverly written texts. In other words, creationism is intellectual laziness. Rather than spark thought or debate, creationism merely gives up the attempt and says "God did it."

Let me ask you this anonymous, if life on earth required a creator wouldn't that creator, by necessity, be more complex than the life that it was creating? How did that creator arise? Wouldn't that creator require a still more complicated creator to create it? And so on and so on.

Back in November I wrote a post about Intelligent Design being added to the curriculum at schools in Dover, Pennsylvannia. If you're interested this is the link:

8:05 AM  
Anonymous CT said...

If all you're seeing is sand, then at least your eyes are actually open. Unlike Mr./Ms. Eyes-Wide-Shut in comment number 1.

8:18 AM  
Blogger OT said...

Dave, is there a reason you don't list an e-mail address on your site? I'd like to point out that your reference to the list of 14 characteristics of Fascism is matched only by the 1 characteristic of Liberalism - Paranoia.

9:16 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


God told me to tell you to stop being so weird. God said you're really freaking him out.


12:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1. Open a new file in your PC.
2. Name it "George W. Bush."
3. Send it to the trash.
4. Empty the trash.
5. Your PC will ask you, "Do you really want to get rid of George W. Bush?"
6. Answer calmly, "Yes," and press the mouse button firmly
7. Feel better, don't you?

12:46 PM  
Blogger dAVE said...

Anonymasshole -
the fossil record makes a mockery of the evolutionary theoriesYou have got to be fucking kidding me.

Todd -
The reason I don't list an e-mail on this blog is because I wouldn't want to deprive the other readers of your insightful comments.

12:49 PM  
Blogger The Cure said...

You Have been nominated for a Cure for the common blogspot award! Congrats!

2:03 PM  
Blogger Stephanie said...

happy friday

9:57 PM  
Blogger OTTMANN said...


Science can be good, but not if it tries to replace God. I understand it just fine even as a religious person. However, I find that those who put science ahead of religion know nothing about religion because they insist man knows more than God, which is absurd.

I agree with anonymous. There is no proof whatsoever on Evolution, but there's plenty of proof of God's existence. Just look around and then look to space. It's all much too perfect to be some accident.

Think about it!

3:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hmmm... interesting.... Maybe God created Evolution... ever think of that? Why must Christians insist that God wasn't scientific? Why does faith take the place of exploration and learning... what about King David re-writing the bible? Did God tell him to do that? What about Lot's Daughter... ? Was she a whore or was she raped? I think there is a thin line that some Christians walk when they preach the words of the Bible... depending on which Bible might I add... God is about good things... God isn't about blinding one's self in order to see him.

Jesus Kid

7:14 PM  
Blogger Armchair Genius said...

I personally believe in evolution.

But to think that science has any merit over religion is to assume your own conclusion. In reality, science is just a form of religion. Sure the scientific method attempts to adapt theories to the evidence we have, but on ultimate questions we simply don't have the evidence necessary to prove any theory. So at some point you have to have "faith" in the fact that we know enough that we can accept the theory at issue. But as time has proven over and over, we often don't have enough evidence/knowledge and our scientific theories are proven to be wrong - incredibly wrong in many cases.

I am not in favor of teaching creationism in schools, but I certainly think stressing that science is merely theory and teaching our youth to be critical thinkers and to think for themselves is a good thing.

8:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've posted a response to your post. Cheers.

6:09 PM  

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