Tuesday, January 11, 2005

Why I Think the Election was Stolen

Some guy named Steve left a comment on one of my posts:

"Hmmm.... Interesting blog. So let me get this straight... The elections were rigged? Why hasn't this been brought to the attention of some... election officials? Oh... because its not within the scope of the MARGIN OF ERROR."

Well, other people have been working much harder than me putting together full lists of all the irregularities, so I'm just gonna post a few links. This should make anyone suspicious and realize that we are in need of electoral reform. If you happened to vote for Bush, then of course you are happy with the results and don't think anyone should look into it. However, the short answer to Steve's simultaneously naive and smartass question regarding election officials, is that the Ohio Secretary of State (who handles issues regarding elections), Kenneth Blackwell, also seved as the Campaign Chair for Bush/Cheney '04 in Ohio.

Animation "Liar" (turn up your speakers)

Contest the Vote

Election Fraud 2004

20 Amazing Facts About Voting in the USA

DailyKos Jan 5 2005

I would very much like anyone from outside the USA to give their opinion of what the last two US Presidential elections looked like from an outsider's perspective.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you're talking about the stolen election in Washington State, I agree with you...

Read here, as well.

9:23 AM  
Blogger In Actual Fact said...

Well from a Briton, living in Germany (and I'll give you my political beliefs as necessary background: fiscally conservative - low taxes, pro-abortion, pro guns, pro-military, pro gay-marriage, pro free-trade, wary of any mixing of religion and politics). If I was American I would not have known who to vote for, but I'd have voted for say, Joe Liebermann no problems.

What happened in 2004? I think the Dems lost. Sorry it probably doesn't fit into dailykos readers outlook but I think they lost. What's harder to understand are the stories of lost ballots, different voting systems in different states, electronic voting machines with no manual record(!) - a recipe for fraud if ever I saw one, and so on after the debacle of 2000. Now THAT election struck me as wrong and very, very dubious.

9:39 AM  
Blogger dAVE said...

While I agree that it is most likely that more people voted for Bush than Kerry, according to the Electoral College system that we have here, Kerry may have garnered more votes in Ohio and Florida, and therefore would have won the election. I think that we should have a direct popular vote (which in other countries is called "the vote") and uniform voting standards (which includes a verifiable paper trail). Also, non- or bi-partisan election oversight. I mean, how can you have the guy who certifies the election results the chair of one of the campaigns? It's like having the referee in a football game being paid by one of the teams. Would you expect a fair officiating of the game?

12:26 PM  
Blogger killthesmiley said...

actually..they have proof now that there is a huge possibility that the electin was rigged and it was jsut brought up in congress, but because a law bush passed after the first ordeal, they can't do a re-count now....

1:30 PM  
Blogger Deek Deekster said...

Bush is derided, and the US therefore, because he is so demonstrably stupid. But he is also greedy and cunning and prepared to stoop as low as anyone to win. So it was sadly obvious that he would win again.

Yes Al Gore's victory was stolen. But as the previous commenter says, the Dems simply lost the last one. Kerry was too patrician. US voters chose the earnest preaching numbskull with easy body language, rather than the intelligent, carefully phrased, but rather stiff patrician with a very badly-informed PR salute.

Hate to say this, but, YOU'LL HAVE TO FIGHT MUCH HARDER, DEMOCRATS, IF YOU WANT TO WIN !!! We all hate the idea of a 3rd successive Repub victory...

Yours from the UK, Deek.

2:41 PM  
Blogger dAVE said...

Ohh, yes Deek. The mistakes made by the Democratic campaign were awful. Bad, bad strategy. No question. It shouldn't even have been close enough to try to rig. And yes, the Democrats are still extremely Establishment types. They are talking about how they need to become even more like Republicans to win, which will only make them lose more.
Unfortunately, with our winner-take-all, two party, corporate-funded system, it is very hard to get a third party off the ground.

3:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

...the Ohio Secretary of State (who handles issues regarding elections), Kenneth Blackwell, also seved as the Campaign Chair for Bush/Cheney '04 in Ohio.As was the very same official in Florida in 2000, one Katherine Harris.

Obviously Karl Rove understands that you don't mess with a winning formula.

- oddjob

3:43 PM  
Blogger Monkey said...

sure it was probably rigged, but if you look at who's in power they aren't going to do anything to change what happened.

10:47 PM  
Blogger William Teach said...

Dave, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. But the facts still aren't there. Furthermore, if the Democrats really cared about fraud they would be investigating all states, not just the one that could give them the election. And Washington, in the governors race, particularly King County. Furthermore II, of the 25 counties in Ohio with supposed problems, 24 had a democrat as it's elections supervisor. The 25th was an Independent. Rather then blaming the GOP, and George Bush specifically, the DNC should be looking at how this happened again. Same thing in Florida 2000: 27 out of 28 problem counties were Dem run.

7:23 AM  
Blogger : JustaDog said...

Now why would you need people from OUTSIDE the USA to try and make your point?


I love you whiners!

10:06 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maddie Dog doesn't read too well does she... It's all gotta be in pictures...

2:19 PM  

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